. >> and then of course we had bill and hillary clinton. >> she was controversial. she was controversial because she had her own agenda on health care in particular, and she set out to fulfill that. in one sense, that she was the real power behind the throne in a way you didn't sense either with barbara bush or laura bush. >> right. but nancy reagan a little bit. >> nancy reagan a little bit. >> a lot of people thought nancy was involved in policy. and then w. and laura bush. and that was a very respectful, very close relationship. >> right. >> and he benefitted from her, there is no doubt about it. >> i think so, absolutely. >> but i don't think i've ever seen an interview as overtly romantic as the obamas put on friday night. >> when she said that i do love you, yeah you don't hear a lot of that. >> you don't hear too much of that in politics this evening -- not this evening, or in this country. all right. good, hume, thanks very much. we didn't rattle you with too many questions you had to go back to. >> thank you, bill. >> you and james buchanan, though, were gr